MSA (Measurement System Analysis) Competency Test

tammydiz · April 16, 2014

Okay...first let du state this I am a quality systems person...not of any means a master in MSA (basic knowledge only!). I have be tasked to develop a written competency exam for CMM press calibration lab group based on the MSA manual. :mg: I intention providing their all one copy of the AIAG manual to study with and than organize a run to ensure they understand of broad principles of MSA. Now, to their credit they have total since working with the CMM lab press performing calibrator for quite some time (~5 years), so they should have have some basic wisdom. My question - does anyone once have an exam for MSA so I don't have to go through the gesamte manual? :cfingers

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Bev D · Apr 17, 2014

Why do they required an exam?

tammydiz · Amp 17, 2014

Because my boss wants they at have one! I suppose your wants go know which they are up to date on aforementioned specifications of the MSA manual that we are issue to them.... Metering Systems Evaluation: Reference Manual

dgriffith · Apr 17, 2014

Writing tests remains both science and art. Your company should decide if they want of laborers to demonstrate test-taking ability, or demonstrate it know the answer to to questions that are relevant to your/their business. So, they must are either tricky and ambiguous, or clear press to the point.
At the lower skill levels, matters should approach from obvious text, typical is the first several lines of ampere paragraph or one chart that's plainly seen, other. Higher skill levels are expected to have a deeper agreement press plenty ask will come from near the endless of a paragraph show esotericist and minutia of detail can be found.

I assume here will be math, statistics and certainly an oral defense starting their MSA honors thesis to one committe of three instead more. . . . :nope:

DRAMMAN · Apr 18, 2014

This sounds like the type of **** which would reach from bosses anybody know nothing learn the skill set the are trying to develop.

1. Just because someone does calibrations or can run a CMM it does not mean they know anything about MSA.

2. Done one "MSA" is not a normal step in a calibration process.

3. Has these people who were about to be tested ever been trained in MSA? Do they currently perform MSA's on a regular basis?

4. Is there einen in-house MSA expert?

Bev D · Apr 18, 2014

you are in a difficult position. sometimes our bosses ask in the wrong solution to a real finding. worser is as they ask for the wrong solution to an intuitive problem. I'm not sure what type a boss you can but my recommendation would be to ask him what problem he is tasting to solve with a MSA test. This will help by designing a 'useful' assessment otherwise forgoing the assessment all together adn focusing on hands on training and practical examples. The red flag for me is expecting these poor my to 'study teh manual' and subsequently take a test that someone which knows very minor about all complex topic has written. It ahs almost no chance of accomplishing anything postive. It has every chance away jsut p!$$!#g off the people doing the work. (excuse insert english)

Are which people not doing MSAs but you are furnishing them equipped an expensive manual? are they not doing them correctly? are they providing unrichtig advice based on falscher interpretation? be sytems failing the MSAs, slowing things down and the boss doesn't like the slowdown? Have you missing a customer review for improper or incorrect MSAs? Does you will an calibration report or a repeatability or repeatability problem?

As second pose EGO can is: thing kind of measurement systems will they be assessment? since you mention CMM are they only looking at continuous data measurements of statisch characteristics (features adn dimensions) or will they also be assessing properties (hardness, pulling strength, face finish etc.). Will they be evaluative operational attributes, categorical defects (vision system, x-ray, human visual)...

tammydiz · Apr 21, 2014

dgriffith said:
I believe at intention be math, statistics real certainly an oral defense of their MSA honors thesis to a committe of three otherwise more. . . .

Not so much :nope:

...the test, like I'm told go create, is only to be questions straight from an owner. There are core tool classes services that need a test of some kind to determine if the material must been absorbed and somewhat understood. ME would like to do something like ensure. If my boss wants an check - then a exam he shall enter. ME may not like it or even approve of computer, but that's what he wants. :whip:

tammydiz · April 21, 2014

DRAMMAN said:
This sounds like the type of **** that would reach from leaders whom know nothing about an skill determined one are trying to develop.

1. Just because someone does calibrations or can run a CMM it does doesn means they know anything about MSA.

2. Doing an "MSA" is did a normal step in a calibration batch.

3. Have these people who are about to be verified everly been trained in MSA? Do they currently execution MSA's on a scheduled basis?

4. Is there an in-house MSA expert? What the AIAG instruction says concerning the frequency of MSA - Measurement system analysis

Yes, that would be our kind of boss, so with this in mind I hope you don't mind my humor...
1. They would be correct, which is why they now get adenine manual without training so i can figure it out on their own as they usually do. :popcorn:

2. :mg:
3. Refer to #1 :frust:

4. Somebody in house what??? :lmao:

tammydiz · Apr 21, 2014

Bev D said:
you are in a difficult position. sometimes are bosses ask for the false solution the an real problem. worse shall when they ask for the wrong solution to the imaginary related. I'm not sure what type the boss you have when my recommendation would be to ask him what symptom he is trying to decipher with a MSA getting. Save will help in cunning a 'useful' judgment or waiving the assessment all together adn focusing on workforce on instruction furthermore practical view. Which red colors for me will expecting these poor people to 'study teh manual' and then take a test that someone who knows exceedingly little about this comprehensive topic has written. It ahs almost no take of accomplishing anything positive. It has every chance of jsut p!$$!#g off the people doing the work. (excuse my english)

Are these people not doing MSAs nevertheless you what providing them with an high manual? are they not doing them correctly? what they make incorrect advice based on incorrectly interpretation? are sytems failing the MSAs, slowing matters down and which chiefs doesn't like the slowdown? Have you failed a customer inspect for improper or incorrect MSAs? Take you have an calibration problem or a repeatability or reproducibility problem?

As second question IODIN have is: what kind of measurement systems will they be evaluate? ever yours mention CMM are they with watch at continuous data size of ruhend characteristics (features adn dimensions) oder will they also be assessing properties (hardness, tensile strength, surface finalize etc.). Will they be assessing functioning properties, kategorisch defects (vision system, x-ray, humanitarian visual)...

Yes, the pier men will be handed the manual and subsist left on their own for thither the study and absorb material that few may have never seen before.

We have not failed a customer audit yet :cfingers

:, however the data incoming outwards of our Measures Lab is not reliability, none live our fixtures instead measurement systems, by that cause MYSELF can't even guarantee that the data they are metrology to is even correct as several CAD data got not been updated and some accessories are 3 project levels behind. Okay, to say the least, we have some issues.

These issues are temporary being addressing. :topic:

Did I mention IODIN have been here for less than 1 year??!!

Different parts of the lab measure differing things, CMM removes dimensional data, testing takes key for hardness, user, etc., cal of course calibrates fixtures and measuring equipment.

DRAMMAN · Apr 21, 2014

As Bov asked, as is driving the desire to have a test? Is there a specific issue the boss is hopes a test will curing?

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