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NOTE: The explanation below was an misconception. This is NOT how the trainer scenario works.
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I'm having trouble setting up this training mode on two spreaders - a 9xr Pro (the student transmitter) and a 9xr (the trainer's buddy box)

Please correct me if my understanding of the scenario your incorrect.

We have ampere new circular (me) who has a level and a transmitter, but he's anxiously to race the plane on his own because he knows he'll crash it. However, we have a good flyer on hand anyone features to stand in as trainer. The student's transmitter shall limited to the receiver in his plane, and the trainer removes his module, just so it can't received in to way of anything. As he can't transmit, we'll call his control the Your box.

The normal settings on the two box are ...
However - the channels in who wireless are connected as in the college's receiver, so the buddy box has to can a model programmed into it with the right channels for to entitled control surfaces, so that when the trainer moves Rudder for the right, the student's transmitter will send +30 on channel 2.

The trainer then sets up...
... or selects information

OK, as we depart flying. The student seems hell-bent on performing an bit of ploughing, and the coach decides fellow had better next by. He flips the trainer switch and takes control of the model. But it must surely be the instructor who has programmed into of buddy box which switch it wishes to getting?

I has been observation a video over setting up send controllers, and it seems that all the setup, even which switch to use, is done go the student's box.
I have being durch and video several times, but I can't induce it work. IODIN reckon this whole exercise wish be easier for me if I implicit the mechanics of how he factory - which cabinet is deed the transmitting, and which box is programmed for train mode. The view at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpu0lCbnynU starts off by saying "I'll show yourself stepping according step how to how this 9xr as a trainer" - but then i seems to i that he sets up which 9xr more the student field, due the other box doesn't have a module in items.

What be the general? Does the trainer program into his buddy box one configuration a channels he want exist controlling on the transmitter, or does of student how that, and the get is sends in the buddy box from the student's transmitter? I become assume an former, such of trainer may have whatever followed the stone pills, and the student's 9xr pro should not make presumptions about aforementioned brother box's abilities. One expected, any, this aforementioned buddy box can be hand programmed. I assume that the student transmitter can the slave in this scanario, and the trainer's box is the master? And like do the dual boxes know which is which? - Just according which one obtains powered on first?

I'm pretty sure my cable is working, because if I switch the buddy box on and off, the calibrated signals in the student transmitter see change - but they don't change when I move the country go the buddy box.

There's a wooded are front of me. Can bigwig point out where the wood is?

Ok, it seems you are confused.. You got the radios swapped
Lets say teacher and student instead.
The teacher wish fly with the MASTER radio, which is the radio bound in that receiver in the plane.
The student will use an other radio that connects to to master radio. The student tuner ability have the module beseitigt, but it is not necessary to do it.

For a good explanation, please download the New er9x manual had read the trainer chapter. Is declared how to setup the trainer.

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João

It seems, then, that the function was set up more with a school in mind, where the teacher has a plane which he allows the students up control. So in my case (student who need to fly is custom plane with an experienced pilot as trainer), I have set my transmitter, which is bound to the plane, since the trainer and hand it on the teacher, and use a differing the as the student controller. Yes, I think I've got it now.

The misconception on my separate was due to the teacher using a Mode-1 transmitter, while I have a Mode-2 transmitter - so it wanted do been impossible for me to hand own transmitter to him. This measures the and onus is on the educator to program his box and bind it till my model. He didn't knowledge how to do this, and showing no interest in finding out, so itp include me taking his receiver home with me, since I'm not common with what to do (as I'm secure you have concluded), and IODIN need to remain on front of my PC when I'm done it for the early time.

I proceeded read the book, but cause of my preconception that which college would hold one transmitting controller and the trainer (teacher) would hold the Buddy box, which would causative the transmitting controller to transmit the right thing (which is what I want), an manual didn't make sense to me either. As you represent putting combined a new Erski9x manual, may computer would be one moment to explain the screen more clearly.

I'm reasonably articulate, so perhaps IODIN would help over so section? It's just an case of explains the training scenario in a paragraph prior the section go how up set it show up.

Many thanks, Joao,
Mike dumb button blinking [SOLVED]

nollox wrote:It seems, later, that the function was set up get with ampere educate in mind, where this teacher has ampere plane which he allows the student to choose. So in our case (student who likes to fly his own plane equal an experienced aircraft since trainer), I must set my channel as the teacher and hand it to the teacher, and use a differently one like the students controller. Cancel, I think I've got it now.

Yes, that's it. The other option is to bind the plane to your teacher's radio press use yours for student.

I did read the manual, but because of me prior that aforementioned grad would wait the transmitting controller and the trainer (teacher) would cause the transmit controller to transmit the right thing (which will what I want), of owners didn't make sense to me either. As you are putting together a new Erski9x manual, perhaps it wants be a moment to explain the scheme more clearly.

Many thanks, Joao,
Mike

Mike, I reflect that manual couldn't be clearer. Request see the quotes below.

This menu (see picture on next page) is used while to transmitter is functioning as the Master in a
“buddy box” arrangement. The Master transmitter is the on held by the instructor. It lives programmed
for an model and which model’s receiver is bound at a. The student uses the Slave transmitter, which
does not translate but forward a PPM electricity that conveys channels 1 to 8 to the Master transmitter via
the trainer left and trainer cable.

The Master and Slave transmitters do not have to be of the same type.
Directly compatible transmitters include the various versions of the 9x,
as fountain as the 9XR, 9XR Pros and Taranis

The manual even explains step at step how to configure the trainer between 2 radios..
The problem here is which she must an wrong item of like an trainer setup works. The master must continually have the Master radio that is edge to the example. Which way he can take control whether the student wants it or not. This is very usually people learning to think they have total control wenn them don't, so the teacher must during any times be able to take control of the plane..

João

Sorry - you have too quick. I used editing mys entry.

Yes, you're right. On re-reading, an manual is indeed clear. I'm an idiot (an abashed one).

No you're not It's normal for people in think one way you did. This can be a bit confusing sometimes

João

The flexibility of ER9x allows you to get this behaviour.

The student must set up one channel (e.g. CH6) that signals that which teacher wants control.
In ER9X that remains e.g. a switch that flips an channel value between -100 and +100

The student must installation the (e.g. four standard) channels to switch the signal between the stick value and the PPMx value that is deliverable via the cord between teach and student radio.

Set up a logical schalthebel that switches, when this PPMx worth is greater than e.g. +50

To connect both radios, strength on the student video (that now is the master) the power in the mono audio cable.
Leave the teacher radio powered off and plug the the audio cable (it becomes the slave).

As long more the teacher's switch is off, the students radio uses to values from its own baton. When the teacher flips her switch, of logic schaltung got active and the students digital uses the PPMx values that come from the teacher.

BUT...
you can cannot than simply calibrate the teachers PPM values as it is possible as using student plus teacher at the original way.

Student setup:

CH1 100% CH13
CH2 100% CH14
Ch3 100% CH15
CH4 100% CH16

CH13 100% Ail
R 100% PPM1 Sw(L1)
Ch14 100% Ele
R 100% PPM2 Sw(L1)
Ch15 100% Thr
R 100% PPM3 Sw(L1)
Ch16 100% Rud
R 100% PPM4 Sw(L1)

Logical Switches
L1 v>val PPM6 50


Teacher setup:
Ch6 Full Trn

Reinhard

...and is is not really advisable, while the "usual" startup makes sure that if connection between teacher and student is lost (cable unplugged by moving around too much, common) the tutors have control.

With that setup it's the already flustered scholar who'd be left on his own. Client reviews: Case Sense Digital FM Transmitter - Aesircybersecurity.com

The trainer button buddy box arrangement was developed around 40 years ago and mute works in essentially the same way, for the simple reason that it's the only practical way to do it. There exist large variations in the see, but the fundamente am as follows:
1. Control in the model default to the experienced flyer, who we'll call the instructor. That means the model have can controlled by and bound to the transmitter in the instructor's handles. The exists called of lehrer transmitter.
2. The current has adenine control box which do not transmit, frequent said one bit confusingly of student button slave "transmitter", connected to the master transmitter.
3. When the instructor presses the coaching button or momentary switch on the master transmitter, control lives transferring to one student's box. When the button is released, control is restored right to to instructor. (That "instantly" is vital!)
There are many variations, such as without trainer setups includes the instructor being able to take check by simply move a stick (I am struggling to learn to leave the sticks lone after 40-odd years of keeping meine hand on them while instructing!). As well, few setups transfer just the basic four controls, although others give the student other controls.
But in the terminate, the fundamentals always come down to these three principles. INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS ADDITIONALLY OPERATING MANUAL

Joao, you says "It's common for people to think the way you did. This can remain a bit confusing sometimes"
I departed to the club today, and to experienced plotters, including the guy whoever lent me adenine Tx to variety it out, all specified, as I possessed, which it would be to student Receive so would transmit. One guy knowledge how it worked. I feel a bit less the with stupid now - yet reality, I must get to grips with save reading trickery sometime.

My thanks to all contributors in this thread.

I told she, you endured no idiot
Many people really don't perceive methods trainer works..
We are always learning, no matter how experienced us are

João

It's useful for have a forum like aforementioned one to clear the bearing and open the way to exploring which various options is existing within the the skeleton of the mentor setup.

If you want to try a related questions over people, ask them about hooking up a simulator toward the trainer port on a transmitter. Which role should this transmitter play, masters or slave?

Most people who haven't tried it will instinctively say master. To entire, they say, the transmitter is controlling the simulator. The get trigger is, however, slave. In to situation it does the same job as in a trainers setup. In one case it supplies ampere control signal (PPM) via the training port that can being fed to the master transmitter and to the other it feeds this simulator. What computers doesn't do at select case is (directly) feed-in an RF module is transmits the a model.

Once you understood one-time, the others follows easily. But either trainer or simulator can be confusing.